Dear NicolaWe have been avid readers of Dogs Today since its inception and just wondered whether you - or one of your advisors - might be able to help.
We have four dogs , the eldest of whom is called Eddie - he is an eleven and a half Italian Spinone.
Eighteen months ago he was diagnosed with CDRM. Up until recently, he has done brilliantly well but with the recent snow and ice, together with the fireworks (he has always been terrified of them), this has really affected him and he now - at times - struggles to get up, is unsteady and falls over.
Beverley: we know how much you love dogs and I'm sure you will know how devastating it is to see a dog you absolutely adore deteriorate like this. Do you happen to know of any new drugs we could try - or any supplements we could give him? We will pay anything to make sure the rest of his life is as happy as we can make it. We have considered hydrotherapy but given Eddie hates water, the vet said to avoid it as it would stress him too much. We also wondered about high dose of Vitamin E?
Many thanks for taking the time to read this & we look forward to hearing from you.
With best wishes to you & all the staff at Dogs Today for the New Year.
Kind regards,
Nicola Thomas
I am so sorry to hear about Eddie. I wish I could tell you that there's a cure for CDRM around the corner, but sadly there is not. I know several people in the same boat as you. It is such a shame that he doesn't like water as all have said that hydrotherapy has been the best thing they have tried. Is there no way of trying to make it more of a positive experience, maybe using a behaviourist to encourage him over his dislike of water? Maybe a DAP diffuser might help with anxiety generally, as keeping him calm may make sudden movements less likely?
I know there are some people doing research work on CDRM in Glasgow and there is also now a DNA test so people can screen for CDRM before breeding, but none of this will help the dogs already with the condition.
Has anyone tried high doses of Vit E with good results? Please do let Nicola know what has worked best for you. Vivitonin might help, not sure if there's any problem with dogs with CDRM having it, you'd need to ask your vet - but that does seem to give all older dogs are real boost generally.
Best wishes to you and all your dogs - but especially lovely Eddie, let us know if you find anything that works. Wouldn't it be great if someone could start a CDRM support group for pet owners as this really would help. Maybe someone should start a facebook page? Maybe I'll try setting one up?
Beverley and all the Dogs Today team.
CDRM support page now set up on facebook, please do start using it if you have or have ever had a dog with CDRM. Be great to have support groups for all these upsetting conditions. Here's the link please do cross post:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/CDRM-support-for-dog-owners-Dogs-Today/122372811164547?v=wall
CDRM is a heart-breaking condition because everything is working apart from the rear end. I have only come across it in the GSD, and three cases spring to mind.
One was a GSD I met when in my final year at Vet School. His owners had sought a referral because they simply could not believe that there was no treatment for their dog. We so wanted to find a treatable cause for their dog’s hindlimb weakness, but sadly could only confirm what their vet in practice had diagnosed.
The second GSD was a dog I used to meet when out walking my own dog from our previous house. He was in a cart because of CDRM, and was very happy. His owner had found that he would bark to be put into his cart so that he could move about more readily.
Lastly, an ongoing patient. She is only seven-years-old and quite the friendliest GSD I have ever met. She is drop-dead gorgeous! However, over the past 18 months she has developed the classic signs of CDRM with the swaying gait and tendency to fall over, especially when turning a corner too quickly.
Much research has been carried out into CDRM. There is now a DNA test for it, but that is of no consolation when your dog is showing all the signs. Vivitonin (Intervet/Schering-Plough Animal Health) has been suggested, and would have other benefits for Eddie anyhow given his age, assuming he does not have certain health issues which would preclude Vivitonin. There are other drugs suggested, many of which are not licensed for dogs and can have serious side effects.
It is a real shame Eddie does not like swimming because hydrotherapy is such a great form of exercise, being non-weight-bearing.
A cart is worth considering. It does restore a dog’s mobility, and can help with bowel movements and bladder emptying.
I would suggest you go back to your vet to discuss Eddie further.
Alison Logan, vet
Without a doubt the best thing for my dog Max was a range of physio exercises. We did these religiously several times a day and we actually saw an improvement in him. Unfortunately he got a tumour which resulted in him eventually being put to sleep but we managed the CDRM for quite a while. Actually on the first vet visit after we'd been doing the exercises the vet was surprised by the change in him.
ReplyDeleteI'll try to dig out the details of the exercises but they were given to me by the lovely Jim Colla, a man who has owned many a CDRM GSD and is an expert on dog carts for dogs who lose the use of their back legs.
Karen Cornish
There is also the article I wrote for the December 2007 issue which has some useful tips in for managing CDRM.
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Right, there is quite a bit of info on Jim's page at www.dogswheels.com/id67.html. You can also download the physio exercises there but if you have problems drop me an email karen@dogstodaymagazine.co.uk and I'll send you the Word document.
ReplyDeleteJim is always very happy to hear from owners with CDRM to offer advice on managing the condition and about doggie wheels. His email address is jim@dogswheels.com.
Also, have a look at this sheepdog who has not been held back by CDRM!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4mgTfXzOZU
Karen
Hi,
ReplyDeleteI have a dog, Tula (chesapeake bay retriever bitch) with CDRM. She has was diagnosed 10 months ago. I did a lot of research and found that keeping up the strength in the back legs is perhaps the most important thing you can do. A clinical test of over 50 dogs in the US showed that a dog given intensive physio survived 5 times longer than a dogs given none.
Another really important thing you can do is keep the back feet protected ; the nails soon wear due to scuffing and the back feet can get sores which are very difficult to cure, so prevention is best. There are many doggy shoes you can buy, the ones that work best for my dog are the cheapest called Walkers that I buy on amazon.
My vet refered Tula to a top neuro-vet who specialises in this disease. She recommended a suppliment of lcarnitine ( a muscle building protein) to keep up strength in the back legs.
One blessing is that there appears to be no pain or suffering. Tula has remains really happy despite her worsening condition.
I hope this info helps.
Ross
Just thanks for all this advice
ReplyDeleteHigh every one i have a belgium shepphard with cdrm , its terrible to see this happening to him as only a few months ago he was pretty find as you no there is no cure at the moment but i have found with my vet that high dosage of vitimum b works wonders , we do not no why but it helps hope this may help some of you.Thanks Paul & Sabre
ReplyDeleteplease come and joing our CDRM page on facebook! https://www.facebook.com/groups/caringfordm/ on this page we discuss how to care for a dog with Degenerative Myelopathy. We've been developing the page since Feb 2012, have a growing number of members and a lot of content and personal experiences of the condition.
ReplyDeleteOur White GSD was diagnosed with early stage CDRM in August last year just after her 9th birthday. We were devastated at this news as she was just there for a routine check-up when the vet noticed that her hind legs seemed to criss-cross when she walked and some of her claws were a bit scuffed. At first he told us there was no effective treatment, but before leaving he reluctantly told us about a study of green lipped mussel extract which he advised had appeared to show signs of improvement in some dogs taking it. We immediately started her on this (the brand is called TECHNYFLEX) and it does seem to have improved her walking. We don't know is this is definitely helping and it's not a cure but anything is worth a try.
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