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Thursday, 8 January 2009

Absolutely barking

I have a 19 month old red and white male Border Collie. I know collies can be vocal but he seems to bark a lot - if someone comes in, down the stairs or maybe just for what seems like our attention.
I realize somewhere we have probably responded to his bark hence why he does it.
Also he gets noisy in the car, on the way home, after his run when he's tired.
If I am out walking with my friend with her Alsatian, who's not really dog- friendly (except with my boy) he will bark nine times out of 10 at another dog which he doesn't normaly do.
If I do street walking on lead, he will make strange noises all the way until we arrive back home. I have tried clicker training, discs and many other things to no avail.
I hope someone can help as its quite frustrating
Denise Nicol, by email

Having lived and worked with collies for umpteen years, I can assure you that your problem is really common and I can fully understand how annoying it can be.
You are right; collies can be very vocal dogs. They will often bark, yap, whine or whinge at seemingly the slightest excuse, but particularly when they are excited, anxious or frustrated. This all a part of their highly reactive and excitable nature as a breed.
If you are not careful, however, to nip this kind of behaviour in the bud as soon as it starts, with appropriate training it can soon turn into an incessant neurotic habit, or a highly manipulative device. Or both at the same time.
For example, frantic yapping/whining, just before a walk or meal, is not just excited anticipation, but also a way dogs pressurise their owners into doing something faster. They will often do the same thing when you stop on a walk, perhaps to talk to somebody, or when they want you to throw them a ball. It is pure attention seeking, and controlling behaviour, and you have to realise this and see it for what it is. Otherwise your dog ends up calling all the shots in your relationship and thereafter will become less and less responsive to your commands or authority.
In many dogs the yapping/whining problem gets out of control only because the owners do not handle it correctly. They either get irritated, exasperated or angry and start shouting, which usually makes the behaviour worse, or they are far too inconsistent in their approach, ie sometimes they correct their dog for this behaviour, and other times let him get away with it. Or they try this gadget or that gadget but don't use any of the properly.
When you say, for instance, that you have tried clicker and discs training, I am just wondering whether this was done under the supervision of a highly experienced dog trainer or behaviourist? If not, be aware that if such devices are not used in an expert and knowledgeble way, with total consistency, correct timing and some real understanding of how dogs learn, they will not work, and may even make some problems worse.
Similarly devices like water sprays, or remote control spray collars may work for some dogs in solving the yapping problem. Others, however, will only be temporarily deterred and then yap on regardless.
Ultimately, when it comes to over-excited or unruly behaviour in any dog, there is simply no substitute for calmer, more resolute authority from owners twinned with far better training. You need, for instance, to teach your collie how to 'stop' what he is doing (ie barking), 'watch you' and 'be quiet', as outlined below. In the car he needs to be taught how to be 'quiet', then 'lie down' and keep still and settle ('wait').
It is best to start such training with your dog on a long lead or training line. Begin with exercises like 'stop!' and 'watch me'. As your dog walks ahead a little, stop him suddenly on the line. As he actually stops, say 'stop!'. As soon as he looks at you, then say 'watch me'. Praise him well for this and give him a treat or toy to play with. Practice this religiously until you can get your dog to 'stop' by himself, at varying distances from you, on command, and also get him to 'watch' you on command, off the lead/line as well as on it.
Now try 'sit' and 'watch me'. Reward your dog for sitting and watching you on command. Then try 'down' and 'watch me'. Reward your dog for lying down and watching you on command. Next try 'sit' or 'down' and 'watch me' plus 'wait'. Make your dog sit or lie down and watch you, then keep prolonging the time that elapses before you reward him. While your dog stays still, waiting for a reward, say 'wait'.
Teach your dog to be 'quiet' on command. First get a tasty treat in your hand and deliberately encourage your dog to bark, or wait for him to do so. As he barks, say 'speak!' and praise him, then show him the treat. As he stops barking to get this, instantly say 'quiet!' and give him the treat. He will quickly learn what 'quiet' means.
Such exercises, if sufficiently well taught, give you the tools to keep your dog calmer/under better control in any variety of situations. You can use them individually, or strung together - ie stop-watch me-down-wait.
Remember to always make eye contact with your dog prior to giving him a command. Remember to always remain calm, but firm throughout this training. Do not get cross, irritated, impatient or try to wheedle or cajole your dog into doing things. He will either defy you or switch off. And NEVER be the first to give in. Keep relentlessly but calmly applying your commands until you get what you want from your dog, no matter how long this takes, then go overboard with praise and rewards when you finally do. The more persistent and determined you are from the start, the less and less resistance you should eventually get from your dog.
Collies can be strong-willed dogs, which means that your determination to over-rule your dog's behaviour has to be even stronger. I am also thinking that your friend's Alsatian is a particularly unhelpful role model for your dog and vice versa. Your friend could clearly do with some behavioural help herseld, and both your dogs would benefit far more from the company of calmer dogs to walk with. Is there any way you could arrange this? Perhaps a local dog training club could help?
Meanwhile I wish you all the best for a quieter life!
Carol Price, dog trainer and behaviourist

6 comments:

  1. Hi Denise, I need to know a little more before I can help you fully - have you owned him since a pup (what age?); has he always displayed this behaviour? ; what are you feeding him at the mo? Would you say he is quite a nervous dog?

    I ask these questions as I believe its important to try and find out why the dog is barking before giving the cure. Many people will try and recommend bark collars etc but it should not be the first port of call.

    Nervousness can be quite common in collies - I own them myself and have one just like it. You cannot necessarily take out the nervousness in the dog, but you can help by improving your relationship and he trusting you to feel protected.

    Dietary can have some effect on a dogs behaviour but is not the complete answer. High energy foods can result in the dog's energy bank spilling over if not used up with sufficient exercise. Skinners Field and Trial Maintenance only has 19% protein and is great for dogs of this nature. To correct a barking behaviour, you can teach a dog a quiet command. Put him on a learn to earn programme - feed his meals by hand doing training such as 'Watch Me' and 'Attention Games'. Focus is important. When he barks at home, make a loud noise for example clap your hands - when he momentarily stops, say 'Quiet' and reward with a treat. This way he learns that quiet equals a pleasurable experience. With travelling in the car, if you can, block out his view so he cannot see out. Remember collies are excited by movement and activity. If someone can travel with you, they can slowly let him have visual for a while when he is quiet and quickly cover up again when he makes noise.

    I would actually work with this dog alone for a while and start from basics with him. He is still a youngster so he can easily be turned around. Happy to help more if you would like to hear more from me. Good luck.

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  2. Have you tried using a spray collar so whenever he barks when you don't want him to he gets a quick spray? Similar options to this include spray cans (purchasable at good pet stores e.g. pets at home), these aren't sprayed at the dog but the noise aims to stop them from doing whatever they are doing. Another option is a simple water sprayer like those you can get for spraying plants or hair. You can buy them at quite a few hardware stores and i've even seen them in pound shops. When your collie barks give him a quick squirt in the face and this should discourage him. When he stops barking at things he used to bark at reward him with treats and go down to his level to give him a fuss. Collies are clever dogs so he should pick up what you are trying to teach him quickly.

    hope this is of some help!

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  3. Isn't it better to solve the problem and ask yourself why your dog is barking before squirting him in the face with punishment?

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  4. If he is just barking for attention he should be punished

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  5. in answer to anonymous 1,i have had my collie since a tiny pup.he used to bark in the car for the first few rides but then grow out of it,has always been fine untill recently while walking untill recently.hes great off the lead and also good with other dogs off lead.has a good recall etcgreat with all animals.the problem is strictly on lead street walking and vocal in the home.hes fed field and trial duck and rice hypoalergenic.he was attacked twice last summer whilst on a lead but has walked with dogs since then and was ok.i use a head collar while walking him.in the home it just seems to bark for attention although he does seem very sensitive to noise.hes very loving,enjoys fuss.he has a good amount of excersise and off lead with his ball,hes brilliant at "training"whilst out ie bring ball back,lying straight down and waiting for next command,will "watch",stay,come etc.just wish we could kerb the vocals at the other times.evenings are very quiet no matter what goes on around him.sleeps all night.thankyou for your help.denise nicol.

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  6. I have a problem with a barking westie. He was a brilliant dog with no agression or any behaviour problems until he was 6 months old we had him neutered and when at the vets for a check up a spaniel came out and went for him (for no reason he was just sitting quietly) and I honestly believe that was the last time he sat quietly! He barks constantly at anything and everything, he barks at other dogs while out and he won't stop for anything. He is fine with the other dogs we own (2 staffordshire bull terrier bitches) and was fine with our older alsation rottie x who we lost in december but very agressive with any other dog and we have tried both on lead and off lead with dogs we trust. He barks at my neighbours dogs both sides have JRT's one one side two the other which is a real pain especially last thing at night and early morning (in fairness they often start the barking which negates any training I try and do with him). He barks at anything that drives or walks past our house and any dog that barks within a 5 mile radius. He is getting to the stage where he isn't a pleasure to walk and I have to force a happy smile and make myself calm to walk him I now walk him seperately to our other dogs as they are happy quiet girls who love all other animals and its very frustrating to them that they can't play with other dogs as he barks which unsettles everyone. I spend most of my life trying to quiet him, I have tried the teaching him to speak and then quiet which didn't work for me because he is agressive I have no desire to make this worse with squirting him with water or anything else I lavish praise on him whenever he shuts up and reawrd him for any silence. He will be 2 years old on March 1st and I have literally spent the last 18 months of my life with constant noise. He is cage trained and sleeps in his cage and is left in there if I go out (never for more than 2 hours) he is fed in there too as he is also food agressive (again not something that any of my other dogs are or have been) he is fed on davies ranger lamb and rice dry complete food to limit any skin problems he may have. I would never re home any of my dogs I love them too much I have 4 children who adore them and vice versa but I'm literally sitting here in tears writing this down I feel like I've failed him but don't know why he would be so different to the other dogs as they have all been bought up the same way. the only lighter comment on all this is the look on peoples faces when you tell them that your 2 staffy's love dogs but can you avoid the westie as he is dog agressive....any help or advice anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated.

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